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  • Shooting began in March 2018.
  • Casting agents were looking for an eighteen-year-old Mexican girl to play the role of the female protagonist, Dani Ramos. Natalia Reyes was cast as Dani, though she is actually Colombian and was 31 at that time she was cast.
  • The film's release was pushed back from July 26, 2019 to November 22, 2019, to avoid competition with Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (2019). Then it was moved to November 1, 2019, wasting no time to take advantage of Wonder Woman 1984 (2020) moving to June 2020. It faced against Harriet (2019) and the U.S. release of Arctic Dogs (2019).
  • Brett Azar serves once again as a body double on which the face of a younger Arnold Schwarzenegger is recreated, after Terminator Genisys (2015).
  • James Cameron considers the film to be a direct sequel to his own films The Terminator (1984) and Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991). He was not involved in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003), Terminator Salvation (2009) and Terminator Genisys (2015), so Terminator: Dark Fate disregards the events of these films, as well as the short-lived TV series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (2008). In 2017, Cameron commented that while he was generally supportive of those films due to his close friendship with Arnold Schwarzenegger, he was ultimately unsatisfied with them, so he decided to produce a proper sequel himself. This means that Rise of the Machines, Salvation, Genisys and Sarah Connor Chronicles are being described as occurring in alternate timelines.
  • The film will be released 35 years after The Terminator (1984). In Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), The Terminator tells John Connor that he is from 35 years in the future. In both the 1st and the 2nd movie, it was established The Terminator comes from the year 2029. Terminator: Dark Fate is released in 2019, a decade before John sent back Kyle Reese and The Terminator to protect Sarah and himself from the Skynet Terminator and the T-1000.
  • During filming, the director had to tell Linda Hamilton to stop smiling when she was firing guns.
  • The first Terminator film in 16 years to be R rated after Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003), the previous two films were rated PG-13. The fourth film, Terminator Salvation (2009) did receive on R rating for its Director's Cut when it was released on Blu-ray in 2009.
  • The song playing when the Rev 9 crashes through the shed at a BBQ ("Guitars, Cadillacs" by Dwight Yoakam) is the same song playing when the T-800 enters the bar at the beginning of Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991).
  • This is the first Terminator film to be given an R (Restricted) rating in New Zealand. All the previous 5 films in the series were rated M (Mature). In New Zealand, this film is rated R13 (Restricted to 13 years and over).
  • Arnold Schwarzenegger was 71 when production began on the movie and was 36 when the original The Terminator (1984) was in production.
  • Linda Hamilton's first movie where she gets top billing. This is the first Terminator movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger is billed second.
  • When they are first introduced, Sarah Connor in the original The Terminator (1984) and Dani in this film are both serving food; Sarah as a waitress in a diner and Dani serving breakfast to her family at home.
  • Producer and series creator James Cameron has stated that he was involved in the movie's writing, but didn't interfere with Tim Miller's direction, as he never visited the set. However, after the first rough cut of the movie, Cameron stepped in for some uncredited editing (as he is an accomplished editor), finding Miller's version to be "pretty rough [and] pretty long". He admitted that he and Miller had their share of disagreements, which at times "became a bloodbath. And the blood is still being scrubbed off the walls from those creative battles. This is a film that was forged in fire. But that's the creative process, right?" Miller, in turn, acknowledged the behind-the-scenes disagreements, but stated that many of these came down to "stuff that I had cut that [Cameron] thought was important", and "small lines that I saw as "poetic and beautiful" but which he didn't care for". Miller also said that although he maintained a good relationship with Cameron, he preferred to have more control on his next projects, and would be unlikely to work with him again.
  • Producer David Ellison approached James Cameron with the idea of an installment that serves as a direct sequel, ignoring the past three installments after admitting that Terminator Genisys (2015) fell short of the expectations. "He [Ellison] was quite honest with me about this - [Genisys] fell short of the mark and didn't really do what he had wanted it to do. So he said, 'Let's start with a blank slate and take it back to T2.' And that idea was intriguing." After much thinking, Cameron had several ideas to began with in the story's premise including: a Terminator who has no mission or purpose that blended into human society and has learned a lot over two decades; a machine that ages over time on the exterior but performs the same functions it was designed to, and a lead female action hero (Sarah) at the age of 60s that has rarely been shown before on screen.
  • In the early phase of the development, director Tim Miller invited a group of sci-fi writers to brainstorm about ideas for the movie. The group included Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Neil Asher, Warren Ellis and Joe Abercrombie. Abercrombie came up the idea of a human soldier who is surgically enhanced to be stronger, but requires a lot of medication to deal with these enhancements, which would later develop into Grace (Mackenzie Davis).
  • Tim Miller wrote most of the action set pieces in great detail before the rest of the screenplay was finalized. David S. Goyer wrote parts of the rest and came up with the name 'REV-9'. Although Billy Ray later re-wrote a lot of Goyer's material and added character moments.
  • The only Terminator movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton in which Earl Boen does not appear.
  • In preparing to reprise her role, Linda Hamilton had to do a full year of physical fitness training and a strict carbohydrate-free diet from May 2017 before filming began under the supervision of renowned fitness trainer Mackie Shilstone. Shilstone was known for his continuous research into fitness for aging athletes. Due to her age, Shilstone had ten people to assist him in supervising her, including his son Spencer (nutrition supplements), and five doctors comprising Dr. Brooks Emory (pulmonologist); Dr. Carl Lavie (cardiologist); Dr. Joe Mather (functional medicine); Dr. Field Ogden (orthopedist) and Dr. James Riser (chiropractor). The filmmakers wanted Hamilton to have an appearance of an aging seasoned pro league player reaching to the turn of coaching a rookie player.
  • Mackenzie Davis was really naked in the scene where Grace fights the cops in the nude. The costume department offered Davis flesh colored underwear, but she declined to use them.
  • A naked Grace beating up the cops after falling from the traffic bridge is a nod to a scene from Pilot (2008) which a naked Cameron Phillips beats up three drunken men from an approaching car in the construction site next to the freeway.
  • The motto for Carl's Draperies is "We won't leave you hanging!" This is a callback to Terminator 2, when John Connor is teaching the Terminator to high five as a way to make him seem more human. John puts his hand up, but the Terminator doesn't reciprocate. "Come on, man," John says. "Don't leave me hanging!"
  • Several scenes from Terminator 1 (1984) and T2 (1991) are similarly portrayed in this movie: Sarah Connor shoots an M4 from the rear of a moving vehicle to evade a pursuing evil Terminator in a helicopter (T2 - Sarah shoots from a back of a SWAT van and is shot in the leg by the T-1000, Dark Fate - She shoots alongside the T-800 while taking off in the C-5). The team commandeers a station wagon for transportation in T2 and Dark Fate and the evil T-800 in T1. The evil Terminator mimicking a law enforcement officer and utilizing LE infrastructure to precisely locate its target (T2 - T-1000 impersonating an LAPD officer, Dark Fate - Rev-9 impersonating El Paso & Mexico City PD, US Border Patrol). The T-800 physically shields a Connor from the evil Terminator's gunfire (T2 - T-800 shields John from in the mall service hallway, Dark Fate - T-800 shields Sarah in the C-5's rear bay). Female heroine shotgunning a Terminator towards a steep drop off but runs out (T2 - Sarah shotguns the T-1000 near the molten metal vat, Dark Fate - Dani shotguns the Rev-9 near a lower level of the dam station). The Terminator is told to go faster in a slow-moving truck (T2 - John tells the T-800 to go faster in their commandeered Chevy S10, Dark Fate - Dani's brother tells Grace to go faster in their commandeered service F-150).
  • This is the first time that an actor who has played John Connor in the series (Edward Furlong in Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)) has reprised the role in one of the sequels. Michael Edwards, Dalton Abbott, Nick Stahl, Christian Bale and Jason Clarke have all played the role only once. If T2 3-D: Battle Across Time (1996) also counts, then Furlong has played John Connor three times.
  • According to producer James Cameron, there were some additional shots of John Connor having a brief conversation with Sarah, but these were cut because the de-aging visual effects were "not up to snuff" in those shots.
  • When Carl is explaining about his gun room,over his shoulder is an Uzi 9mm which the original terminator asked for in the gun store and used in the first film.
  • In this Terminator instalment, the energy sphere which is created, when the person, or terminator, is sent back in time, produces intense cold, as seen by the frozen clothes on the washing line. In all of the other Terminator films, the energy ball produces intense heat, not cold.

Spoilers

  • This film confirms that, much as in Terminator Genisys (2015), if given the chance, the organic part of the T-800 model Terminator actually ages over time. This was an idea that series creator James Cameron had given to the makers of Genisys, and has now employed himself.
  • In line with the other Terminator movies, the T-800 played by Arnold Schwarzenegger loses an arm and an eye.
  • In previous instalments it is established that dogs can detect and will bark incessantly at Terminators, so humans employ them as an early detection device. In this film the aging T-800, "Carl," owns a dog that quietly allows him to pet it. This subtle detail signals that despite Sarah's skepticism, Carl has in fact become more human and empathetic.
  • While at the beginning of the film Arnold Schwarzenegger's face is de-aged and superimposed on a stunt double, Arnold himself doesn't appear until over an hour into the film.
  • The film takes place in 1998 (flashback to John's death), 2020 (main action of the film), sometime around 2030 (Dani saves young Grace), and 2042 (Grace is wounded and augmented).
  • Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton were both de-aged for the opening flashback scene which Terminator/Carl kills John Connor.
  • Like Terminator Genisys (2015), Terminator Carl only wears sunglasses in the flashback sequence in which a younger Terminator Carl kills John Connor.
  • The memorable line from previous Terminator movies "Come with me if you want to live" was replaced with "Come with me or you'll be dead in 30 seconds" (This is what Grace says when she counters the Rev-9's first attack on Dani).
  • The sunglasses worn by T-800/Carl in the flashback scene where he kills John Connor are exactly the same iconic model worn by the T-800 in Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991).
  • In this film, it is Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor who gets to speak Arnold Schwarzenegger's iconic line, "I'll be back". Like in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) ("she'll be back" and "I'm back!"), Schwarzenegger himself uses a variation on his line: "I won't be back".
  • The film ignores the events of the third, fourth and fifth installment in the series (i.e. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003), Terminator Salvation (2009) and Terminator Genisys (2015)). However, before writing, the scriptwriters watched through those installments and listed down the elements that were pitfalls, while some of those from the three that were not can be found in the story: * Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003): The notion that Judgment Day is inevitable, and can be merely postponed, as it is in humanity's nature to create its own demise. The presence of a hostile Terminator that consists of a solid part and a liquid part (the T-X in Rise, the Rev-9 in Dark Fate), and killing off the main antagonist with the hero's power source. * Terminator Salvation (2009): An ally who is an enhanced human, who sacrifices a vital component to save the hero (Marcus Wright in Salvation, Grace in Dark Fate). * Terminator Genisys (2015): Skynet succeeding in killing John Connor. Someone materializing on an overpass after time-traveling. The idea of luring the villainous Terminator into a 'killbox'. An aged T-800 who has humanized over time, and serves as an ally. A character who has knowledge of an alternate timeline (Kyle Reese in Genisys, Carl in Dark Fate).
  • The plane crash over the spillway, as well as the plane going down in Grace's flashback, resemble a rejected draft that Tedi Sarafian wrote for the climax of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003). In that draft, a Boeing crashes in downtown LA and explodes half of the city. However, both the producers and distributor Warner Bros balked at the costs of the scene, so it was written out.
  • The climactic turbine hall fight was deliberately designed in a way to strip Dani's protectors one by one as the fight progresses. Director Tim Miller wanted the sequence to be a present day allegory of St. George facing the dragon alone. For that purpose, each of her protectors crashes and gets crashed one way or another when fighting the Rev-9 so that Dani is the last person standing to deliver the fatal blow at the Rev-9. At the turbine pit, originally the Rev-9's ripping of the Terminator / Carl's right hand flesh was more gruesome in attempting to haul itself back up, but it was edited out because Miller thought that the ripped-off flesh looked like a jerky meat.
  • Sarah can be seen using the weapon (the short-barrel shotgun) that the T-800 ('Carl') dropped after killing John Connor in the prologue. It would make sense that she uses the weapon that reminds her of her failure to save John to fuel her anger against her son's killers.
  • Director Tim Miller explained that the decision to kill off John Connor in the beginning of the movie was taken early on in the production process, and agreed upon by almost everyone. With Skynet's creation prevented in Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), John no longer had any heroic role to play and they could not imagine him "[being] a 36-year-old accountant somewhere". John's daughter was briefly considered to be the new 'savior of humanity', but Miller decided to step away from this 'chosen one' trope in favor of an everyman/woman who rises through adversity. John's death also had the advantage of providing a solid story arc for Sarah Connor, since "[Sarah] is at her best when she has tragedy to overcome or something to fight, and you need that rocket fuel for her to be in this dark place. And what better rocket fuel than that she made this decision and it led to the death of her son?"
  • One of the things that director Tim Miller and writer/producer James Cameron disagreed on was the reason for the time travel in the movie. Miller initially suggested to have humanity lose the battle against Legion, and in a complete reversal of previous movies, it would be the humans who went back in time first, in order to "strangle it in the crib" and change their future. Although Miller thought that the idea of humanity losing and resorting to time travel as a last stand would be dramatically interesting, it wasn't Cameron's thing.
  • According to Tim Miller, only the first half of Carl's monologue about drapes was in the script. Arnold Schwarzenegger added the second part, including the line "Don't do it. It should be polka dots, balloons".
  • Sarah Connor mentions that Skynet sent many Terminators back to multiple moments in the past before it got obliterated. After one of them killed her son John, she started to receive coordinates and dates from her secret ally, indicating where and when these Terminators would materialize so that she could destroy them. One of those coordinates led her to the highway where she arrives just in time to save Grace and Dani from the REV-9. According to director Tim Miller, what was left out of the movie is that Sarah also received coordinates for Grace's arrival. During that scene, Sarah's truck can be seen almost crashing into Grace's time bubble, implying that Sarah was on her way to kill Grace, but the near-crash caused her to miss that opportunity.
  • The makers had long discussions about whether Carl had humanized to the extent that even his adopted family didn't realize he was a T-800. Director Tim Miller thought that the family would know, as he personally believed that the humanized Carl couldn't lie to people that were close to him. In the end, they chose to not address the subject in the film.
  • Director Tim Miller said that his biggest surprise was the test audience's reaction to the scene where Sarah confronts Carl, the murderer of her son. He had expected that like Sarah, people would hate him for what he had done. However, the audience loved seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger finally appear on screen so much that they actually cheered for him.
  • Carl's arc in the movie is redemption and sacrifice: After John's death, Carl sends Sarah text messages warning her about other Terminators and the Rev-9 which he ends each message "For John" and chooses to help Sarah and Grace protect Dani from the Rev-9 and sacrifices his life by destroying the Rev-9 with Grace's power core which his last words are "For John".
  • A scene was filmed, but deleted which is another flashback scene which we see Grace talking to future Dani informing her the Rev-9 has gone back in time to Mexico City to hunt down Dani's younger self and Grace suggests Dani send her back to protect her from the Rev-9 and begs Dani to let her save her. The scene mirrors a similar scene from Terminator Genisys (2015) which John Connor learns Skynet has sent the T800 Terminator to 1984 to kill Sarah and Kyle Reese tells a hesitant Connor to send him back which Reese says to John "Let me save her".
  • There was a scene that was filmed but cut from the movie: before Sarah, Grace, Dani and Carl leave Carl's cabin to battle the Rev 9, Alicia talks to Sarah about Carl and mentions that Carl told her about John and what he is and pleads with Sarah to bring him back and Sarah walks away. The scene shows that Sarah doesn't care about what Alicia thinks and feels about Carl and Alicia doesn't care that Carl is a cyborg and what Carl did to Sarah.
  • Many viewers took issue with the fact that the movie opens with the death of John Connor, especially since producer James Cameron had always voiced his dislike of how the characters Hicks and Newt from his movie Aliens (1986) were unceremoniously killed off in the beginning of the sequel Alien 3 (1992). However, Cameron has since stated that he himself suggested this shocking twist, in order to "pull the rug out from underneath the entire construct that's been going on for the last three decades". Both Linda Hamilton and director Tim Miller concurred, stating that it was a good way to evolve the story and shock the audience. Miller also felt that John Connor had already received plenty of exposure in the previous three movies, so he wanted to make room for other characters. He admitted that they experimented with moving the revelation of John's death further down the movie during the hotel scene, but it didn't work as well dramatically.
  • Edward Furlong was on set for a day to film John Connor's death scene: "We did some CGI. They paid me. So, I mean, ya know. It kinda bums me out. 'Cos I'd love to do a whole one and make a shit-ton of money. I would love to do more, but we'll see what happens."
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